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#21 Mike B

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Posted 04 January 2020 - 10:39 PM

I understand that....from your perspective, what does a Championship infield look like (use players).

Boog Powell, Davey Johnson, Mark Belanger and Brooks Robinson.  In my minds eye, they will always be just that..

 

I know, you want today's players, but could not resist.


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 11:12 PM

I understand that....from your perspective, what does a Championship infield look like (use players).


I mean, this is an extremely broad question.

The combos are endless for this answer.
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:01 PM

I mean, this is an extremely broad question.

The combos are endless for this answer.

 

So it should be easy to pick one of them.



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:06 PM

So it should be easy to pick one of them.


Sure..but it’s also a waste of time to post one of literally tens of thousands of scenarios.

It’s a dumb question.
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:19 PM

<<smh>>



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:22 PM

Don’t give yourself a headache
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:33 PM

Don’t give yourself a headache

 

I was trying to go away there, but if you want to stay engaged on it...

 

...what is so difficult about sharing a lineup (or in thins case, a portion of a lineup).

 

I could probably give you a dozen different available combinations that include different opportunity, upside and risk, that's fine...

 

You want to sharpshoot every discussion and you can't even share one combination you'd defend as "being worth it". 

 

I understand why you can't do it, but still....

 

What does this magical 90+ win team look like, in any year?  It is only comprised of names we know today.

 

If you have no idea where you're going, how will you know when you get there?



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:35 PM

If you have depth in your organization, and you have payroll flexibility... you'll have the ability to obtain external talent at positions of need. 

It's not really hard to comprehend. 



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:42 PM

I find this pretty funny because when Rob was Sports Guy, he was all about creating all sorts of hypothetical rosters, no matter how involved and plausible they were.

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:33 PM

I find this pretty funny because when Rob was Sports Guy, he was all about creating all sorts of hypothetical rosters, no matter how involved and plausible they were.


Glad you are amused. Now you know how I feel when I reading your posts

If it was something that mattered in the next year or so, I would gladly post it.

However, asking for what I think a championship IF looks like, likely 3-5 years from now, is a relative waste of time.

That IF could comprise players that are in college right now...or in the GCL, or playing in Japan or a player that right now has no chance of being available as we speak but yet, they are later on.

If you want to know, give me an example of a championship IF for this team in one year, that’s fine...but that’s also a waste of time since we know the team isn’t going to spend the money or trade the talent needed to have that IF.

We also don’t know who develops or anything like that. Gunnar Henderson could be an elite prospect in 2 years and could be an answer here but it would pretty dumb to put him in that IF right now.

Sure, it’s easy to say Correa, Wander Franco and Keston Huira but that’s just dumb...it’s not all that realistic but right now, it certainly looks like it could be a championship IF.
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:34 PM

I was trying to go away there, but if you want to stay engaged on it...

...what is so difficult about sharing a lineup (or in thins case, a portion of a lineup).

I could probably give you a dozen different available combinations that include different opportunity, upside and risk, that's fine...

You want to sharpshoot every discussion and you can't even share one combination you'd defend as "being worth it".

I understand why you can't do it, but still....

What does this magical 90+ win team look like, in any year? It is only comprised of names we know today.

If you have no idea where you're going, how will you know when you get there?



You don’t have to know the exact players to know where you are going.

Again, we are talking so far down the line that the combos to this are astronomical.
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:36 PM

Glad you are amused. Now you know how I feel when I reading your posts


You're a great guy.

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:40 PM

You're a great guy.


Right back at ya
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:48 PM

If you have depth in your organization, and you have payroll flexibility... you'll have the ability to obtain external talent at positions of need. 

It's not really hard to comprehend. 

 

Like who?



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:49 PM

Like who?

 

My answer hasn't changed from the last 20 times I've answered this.

There is no need to identify who now. 

Build depth internally. Increase your payroll flexibility.  
There will be plenty of options to address need.



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:55 PM

My answer hasn't changed from the last 20 times I've answered this.

There is no need to identify who now. 

Build depth internally. Increase your payroll flexibility.  
There will be plenty of options to address need.

 

deleted. :)

 

There is nothing about payroll flexibility in 2019 or 2020 that allows you to do something in 2024.

 

I'll keep saying this.  You believe in a process that delivers something specific (Championships) because you followed the process.  That process lacks the merit you assign it.

 

The problem with identifying any players is you are forced to realize the roster/lineup you think is "worth it" is more or less available (from a Talent perspective) whenever you want it and losing ('rebuilding') isn't required to get there.

 

Realize that and you have to throw out all of your thoughts on rebuilding.  Then what.



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:57 PM

deleted. :)
 
There is nothing about payroll flexibility in 2019 or 2020 that allows you to do something in 2024.


The miracle would be you coming up with a realistic scenario where this IF is built right now and will sustain that level of good play, development and health in order for the team to be ready to contend in 3-5 years.
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 03:58 PM

Step 2:  Then a miracle happens.

 

Yes, we know each others respective baseline opinions. 

I think if you have organizational depth, and you've got payroll flexibility... you can obtain external talent.

You think we have to identify who we want now. 

 

You think failing to identify who now... signifies a 'miracle' must happen for the O's to later identify and add the talent they'll need. 

I think it's fairly simple. 



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 04:08 PM


Right back at ya

Last time you two were regularly going at it, MBW was started and you basically got along great, lol. Are we going to have to reboot?
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 04:09 PM

I still think we're going to need more definition to Step 2.
 
Let me try this.  I've discussed it before.
 
Does a Seager (3B), Seager (SS), Jeter Downs (2B) infield have potential for a Championship caliber team?


Is this a championship IF in 2020?
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