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fwiw, my #1 plan is still available...


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#1 dude

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 01:35 PM

I know we are intent on losing and pretending as if adding guys from the 2019 draft class to maybe compete in 2025 somehow limits the ability to complete now, but for all of the moves that have been made (FA and trade), the guys I'd have considered for my 'best' plan are still out there and frequently discussed in terms of movement (ie, still available).

 

Just saying.



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Posted 21 December 2019 - 01:52 PM

Is there some new point or do you just want to rehash your "you can rebuild and compete at the same time" mantra?

 

Just saying.


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Posted 21 December 2019 - 02:18 PM

Is there some new point or do you just want to rehash your "you can rebuild and compete at the same time" mantra?

 

Just saying.

 

Nope, just rehashing the point.



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Posted 21 December 2019 - 04:22 PM

Good to know.

I haven’t slept well recently worrying that your plan may have been thwarted so far.
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Posted 21 December 2019 - 04:30 PM

Someone post a poll.

Is this the worst thread topic in BSL history?
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Posted 21 December 2019 - 04:42 PM

Someone post a poll.

Is this the worst thread topic in BSL history?


Nah I can name 10-15 threads NMS has started that are much worse

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

"Now OPS sucks.  Got it."

"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 05:25 PM

Someone post a poll.

Is this the worst thread topic in BSL history?


March madness bracket of best Olympic athlete by state comes to mind.

Something called “The Hold Steady” is a thread?

And 2020 Orioles General talk is shaping up to be a hoot.
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Posted 21 December 2019 - 05:32 PM

March madness bracket of best Olympic athlete by state comes to mind.

Something called “The Hold Steady” is a thread?

And 2020 Orioles General talk is shaping up to be a hoot.


The Olympic thread where BNick said “stop posting this crap” still makes me lol.

Mocking The Hold Steady only highlights your short comings

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

"Now OPS sucks.  Got it."

"Making his own olive brine is peak Mackus."

"I'm too hungover to watch a loss." - McNulty

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 05:43 PM

The Olympic thread where BNick said “stop posting this crap” still makes me lol.

Mocking The Hold Steady only highlights your short comings


Not as much as drinking Coors Light and making Outback your go to eatery does.
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Posted 21 December 2019 - 06:21 PM

Is there some new point or do you just want to rehash your "you can rebuild and compete at the same time" mantra?

 

Just saying.

:mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen: 



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Posted 21 December 2019 - 07:55 PM

Wasn’t hold steady a bad guy on TMNT?
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Posted 22 December 2019 - 11:57 AM

I still need someone to post a future lineup that is so clearly great, as a product of rebuilding, that we have to roll over for the Yankees (and everyone else) now.

 

 

Response:  <<crickets>>



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Posted 22 December 2019 - 03:49 PM

I still need someone to post a future lineup that is so clearly great, as a product of rebuilding, that we have to roll over for the Yankees (and everyone else) now.

 

 

Response:  <<crickets>>

Back at you.

 

Post a future lineup that will compete with the Yankees with your method.



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Posted 22 December 2019 - 05:22 PM

Back at you.

 

Post a future lineup that will compete with the Yankees with your method.

 

So I think this is funny.  Again, you're kind of making my point.

 

In my opinion, the Orioles will not reasonably have anything greater than about a 35% chance of making the Playoffs.  It's not that strange things couldn't happen (someone[s] emerges in irrational ways) and you could create more opportunity but the other teams in this Division have proven good and are trying.  Losing now doesn't really change your future opportunity much at all.  You need to be both good and some level lucky (or make your own luck).

 

My 'method' looks like a better (short term and long term) version of the 2012-2016 teams.

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Mike Elias is telling you..."be patient, you can't rush the process and it will be worth it"

You should ask him what "it will be worth it" means.

 

Your position is Yankee money wins over everything.  If that's true, what are the Orioles going to do?  Can they actually build a 90% chance to make the playoffs where they're a clearly dominant (95+ win) team?

 

If the answer to that is yes, no worries, I wind up in basically the same spot. 

If the answer is no, then we should be taking the best shot we can every year and let's see what happens.

 

This last decade is the first decade in Yankee history where they didn't appear in a World Series.  In fact, they only made the playoffs 7 of the 10 years despite racking up the largest total payrolls.     

...and we're going to roll over for them.

 

The only years you can't win are the ones you don't even try.

Since we don't know what is going to happen with the teams around us (other than they are trying to win) put yourself in the most reasonable Win now-Win Later position you can.

 

Like I suggested, it's only too late this year because they want to lose more.



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Posted 22 December 2019 - 06:27 PM

I get your approach. And I don't know if it would or wouldn't work.

 

However, my opinion, to compete in the ALE on an ongoing basis, that the best path to success is to suck and really get a lot of great draft picks and build a  very strong minor league system.

 

Then you have enough great core under cost control that you can afford (what the owners will shell out) to buy the missing pieces. As long as the system exists the way it is today then the only way I suspect you can win long term is to have a really strong team with almost all your players under long term control.



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Posted 22 December 2019 - 06:53 PM

However, my opinion, to compete in the ALE on an ongoing basis, that the best path to success is to suck and really get a lot of great draft picks and build a  very strong minor league system.

 

So you DO believe that the key to building a 95+ team is burning 3 years to get 3 top picks.

 

....because after one unique pick each year, literally everything else is the same.

 

The Astros picked Carlos Correa (1-1, 2012), Mark Appel (1-1, 2013) and Brady Aiken (1-1, 2014).



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Posted 22 December 2019 - 08:27 PM

I still need someone to post a future lineup that is so clearly great, as a product of rebuilding, that we have to roll over for the Yankees (and everyone else) now.

 

 

Response:  <<crickets>>

Are we using a Playstation4?


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Posted 22 December 2019 - 09:23 PM

I still need someone to post a future lineup that is so clearly great, as a product of rebuilding, that we have to roll over for the Yankees (and everyone else) now.


Response: <<crickets>>


Every lineup you have produced is rolling over to the Yankees
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Posted 22 December 2019 - 09:39 PM

There is no collection of misfit toys you can cobble together to compete this year, or next.
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Posted 23 December 2019 - 09:38 AM

So you DO believe that the key to building a 95+ team is burning 3 years to get 3 top picks.

 

....because after one unique pick each year, literally everything else is the same.

 

The Astros picked Carlos Correa (1-1, 2012), Mark Appel (1-1, 2013) and Brady Aiken (1-1, 2014).

Well close.

 

What I am trying to say is that to build a team that consistently wins over 90 games, in the ALE, with our ownership group, is going to have to have a core made up of young cost controlled guys. So that probably startswith sucking to get some high draft picks for the simple reason that we don't have ANY players that can be traded for top prospects. Now that doesn't mean we can't hit with somebody that we got in the Bundy trade. Doesn't mean that we can't hit if we trade Mancini. But we aren't trading Mancini for a top prospect (I don't believe). So the best shot at getting a good core is going to be through the draft (and international signings perhaps).






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