BSL: Jackson’s improved, but where does he still need to grow?
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Posted 11 October 2019 - 07:19 AM
BSL: Jackson’s improved, but where does he still need to grow?
https://www.baltimor...till-need-grow/
Posted 11 October 2019 - 08:09 AM
Posted 11 October 2019 - 08:30 AM
Posted 11 October 2019 - 09:28 AM
Would like to know some of these numbers if you throw away the Miami game.
You can't throw away the good, if you are going to keep the not so good.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 09:36 AM
You can't throw away the good, if you are going to keep the not so good.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 09:41 AM
You can if you have an agenda. That's why I posted that IG post. Nonetheless his growth is obvious to even his biggest critics and he'll only get better.
To be fair, you are saying Rob has an agenda... and he's posted several times about how excited he is about Jackson's growth this year, and how he respects Jackson's work ethic.
And at year end it will be fair to remove the Miami game from an evaluation of Jackson's 2019 season... but we will also have to remove Jackson's worst game.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 10:03 AM
1) Miami is a AA team, so yes you can.You can't throw away the good, if you are going to keep the not so good.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 10:51 AM
Well, when Lamar has a bad game against Seattle, or NE, or some other team with a very good defense, we now know can throw that game out too.
I never had friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?
Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:02 AM
Well, when Lamar has a bad game against Seattle, or NE, or some other team with a very good defense, we now know can throw that game out too.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:09 AM
Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:15 AM
Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:16 AM
Well he had an awful game already...how many are we throwing out?
FWIW, I have no issue throwing out the extremes (ie, the best and worst). I think that’s fair.
If we're going to micromanage the evaluation of Lamar, let's not forget that 2 of the INTs last week were on tipped passes that should have been caught or ruled incompletions.
I didn't see the last INT against Cleveland either, but it came in garbage time so maybe we can write that one off too.
Either way, taking out the Miami game or leaving it in doesn't change a thing. He's been up and down so far this year. He's still a rookie in terms of total games started.
I think he's probably on the lower side of this team's concerns.
I never had friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?
Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:20 AM
Saying he is completing passes that no one said he would is an ignorant statement.
There hasn’t been one person to say “he can’t complete this type of pass”
The talk has always been about CONSISTENCY! If you are going to discuss, at the very least you could not lie about people’s positions for your own agenda.
I took that as his completion percentage.
People pointed to his college numbers and said they couldn't improve in the NFL. He's completing 65% of passes this year, 61% for his career.
I never had friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?
Posted 11 October 2019 - 01:10 PM
If we're going to micromanage the evaluation of Lamar, let's not forget that 2 of the INTs last week were on tipped passes that should have been caught or ruled incompletions.
I didn't see the last INT against Cleveland either, but it came in garbage time so maybe we can write that one off too.
Either way, taking out the Miami game or leaving it in doesn't change a thing. He's been up and down so far this year. He's still a rookie in terms of total games started.
I think he's probably on the lower side of this team's concerns.
Absolutely...but he has also thrown passes that could or should have been picked off too.
Those things tend to even out over a larger sample size.
And this isn't about some calculated attempt to hurt his stats. Miami is that bad. I truly believe every single persons and teams stats should be thrown out, in terms of judging how good they are, when they play Miami this year.
I saw something interesting on the Colin Cowherd Show the other day. He had stats up for Baker...16 games played against everyone and 2 against Cinci (last year). Cinci's defense was awful last year. His number were something like a 70+% completion%, 7 TDs, 0 INTs...2-0 record. Everyone else, he is 6-10, 24 TDs, 22INTs, completion percentage in the low to mid 60s.
Basically, he is a league average QB that turns it over a lot against everyone except that terrible Bengals defense of 2018.
That doesn't mean you throw out those stats but it does mean that when there is an outlier and you are trying to assess a players total game, that you need to look into things like that because it can skew the numbers.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 03:01 PM
Based on the "roundtable" discussion not too long ago, these were the over/under numbers to predict for Jackson. Based on the 5 games in the books:
61% completion percentage: Currently 65.4%
3400 passing yards: 1271 yards in 5 games; 4067 yard pace over 16 games
800 rushing yards: 308 yards in 5 games; 985 yard pace over 16 games
24 passing TDs: 11 TD passes in 5 games; 35 TD over 16 games
32 total TDs: 12 total TD in 5 games; 38 TD over 16 games
18 turnovers: 6 TO (5 INT, 1 Fumble lost) in 5 games; 19 TO over 16 games
60.0 QBR: Currently 65.2
Other than turnovers, looks pretty good to me. Jackson has clearly improved from last year. Let's see if he can sustain and build on this as the Ravens get to the tougher part of their schedule.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 03:38 PM
Based on the "roundtable" discussion not too long ago, these were the over/under numbers to predict for Jackson. Based on the 5 games in the books:
61% completion percentage: Currently 65.4%
3400 passing yards: 1271 yards in 5 games; 4067 yard pace over 16 games
800 rushing yards: 308 yards in 5 games; 985 yard pace over 16 games
24 passing TDs: 11 TD passes in 5 games; 35 TD over 16 games
32 total TDs: 12 total TD in 5 games; 38 TD over 16 games
18 turnovers: 6 TO (5 INT, 1 Fumble lost) in 5 games; 19 TO over 16 games
60.0 QBR: Currently 65.2
Other than turnovers, looks pretty good to me. Jackson has clearly improved from last year. Let's see if he can sustain and build on this as the Ravens get to the tougher part of their schedule.
I still worry about Lamar some, but as your numbers show, IMO, he is ahead of what we thought was reasonable progress hopes.
Even last week, where I thought he was not very good, he found a way to make enough plays in the end to win.
Posted 11 October 2019 - 03:46 PM
I still worry about Lamar some, but as your numbers show, IMO, he is ahead of what we thought was reasonable progress hopes.
Even last week, where I thought he was not very good, he found a way to make enough plays in the end to win.
It's hard to believe, but the Ravens have the #3 offense in the league (by yards). And they are #1 in points per game, even ahead of the mighty Pats who have played 3 winless teams (including Miami).
Posted 11 October 2019 - 04:27 PM
It's hard to believe, but the Ravens have the #3 offense in the league (by yards). And they are #1 in points per game, even ahead of the mighty Pats who have played 3 winless teams (including Miami).
Posted 11 October 2019 - 04:37 PM
Some of that is deceiving too because if the garbage time points against KC and Cle.
I only mention that because I don’t look at that offense and say that I feel confident they can score a bunch of points against a good defense, despite them being a top 3 scoring offense.
I don't expect they'll finish in the Top 5 in offense this year, but I believe they could be Top 10. But nothing they do this week is likely to make you "feel confident" about the offense or Lamar. Unless they can put up numbers against the Seahawks or Patriots, you won't be convinced, I get it. But we've come a long way from "Lamar is not likely to improve".
Posted 12 October 2019 - 08:40 AM
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