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#161 bmore_ken

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 11:20 AM

HUh?

Since you read on a 3rd grade level. I doubt the Chargers intended to relax their defense to the point of letting the Ravens within a one score game. Is that clearer?



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 11:25 AM

Since you read on a 3rd grade level. I doubt the Chargers intended to relax their defense to the point of letting the Ravens within a one score game. Is that clearer?

But when you relax your defense and allow teams to chew up yards, this is exactly what happens.  

 

This is what happened to the Ravens defense all the time.  They play great until the end, go in prevent and let teams march down the field.  

 

it doesn't mean the QB isn't making plays or good throws but it does mean that you can't evaluate the QB the same way in those circumstances as you did when he faced the defense through the first 3 quarters.


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 11:47 AM

Aren't you making my point though? The same defense but 2 entirely different approaches to attacking it. The Patriots ran short passes and a power running game out of the I formation and all the Ravens did for 3 qtrs. was run rpo. We struggled with absolutely no adjustments until it was too late and the Patriots went through the same defense like a sieve.

This isn't true at all, the Ravens ran mostly power, but they run it out of the pistol because that's how Greg Roman likes to run his offense with dual threat QB (see Colin Kaepernick). You can even look at the Chargers players comments about how they new the LG was always the one who was going to pull, etc...they used their speed and athleticism to shoot gaps and it wreaked havoc.

 

There were no adjustments, I'll give you that, but the Ravens OL was overmatched and  a rookie QB who doesn't have the ability to process and read a defense like Tom Brady was also overmatched. 


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 02:17 PM

Since you read on a 3rd grade level. I doubt the Chargers intended to relax their defense to the point of letting the Ravens within a one score game. Is that clearer?

 

Does any team intend to let their opponent back into a game when they have a big lead?

 

That seems to be the third-grade thinking in the discussion.


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 02:41 PM

But when you relax your defense and allow teams to chew up yards, this is exactly what happens.  

 

This is what happened to the Ravens defense all the time.  They play great until the end, go in prevent and let teams march down the field.  

 

it doesn't mean the QB isn't making plays or good throws but it does mean that you can't evaluate the QB the same way in those circumstances as you did when he faced the defense through the first 3 quarters.

The big play, and the one the Chargers didn't want to happen, was the long pass to Dixon after Lamar got chased out of the pocket and Derwin James was looking for all the world like Rahim Moore. Plays like those don't come from any playbook, and they'll fail far more often than they'll succeed.

 

Otherwise, the Chargers were perfectly content to let the Ravens take the shorter throws and chew up both clock and timeouts. That play to Dixon was a potential game-changer. If the Ravens don't connect there, maybe they still score, but there likely would have been precious little time afterward to do anything else, which would have been exactly what the Chargers wanted.



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Posted 14 January 2019 - 02:47 PM

The big play, and the one the Chargers didn't want to happen, was the long pass to Dixon after Lamar got chased out of the pocket and Derwin James was looking for all the world like Rahim Moore. Plays like those don't come from any playbook, and they'll fail far more often than they'll succeed.

 

Otherwise, the Chargers were perfectly content to let the Ravens take the shorter throws and chew up both clock and timeouts. That play to Dixon was a potential game-changer. If the Ravens don't connect there, maybe they still score, but there likely would have been precious little time afterward to do anything else, which would have been exactly what the Chargers wanted.

Right...that was a fluke play where James made a poor decision.

 

It was really a throw you never want any QB throwing but its also one where you are desperate and have to hope to get lucky.


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Posted 14 January 2019 - 02:56 PM

The big play, and the one the Chargers didn't want to happen, was the long pass to Dixon after Lamar got chased out of the pocket and Derwin James was looking for all the world like Rahim Moore. Plays like those don't come from any playbook, and they'll fail far more often than they'll succeed.

 

Otherwise, the Chargers were perfectly content to let the Ravens take the shorter throws and chew up both clock and timeouts. That play to Dixon was a potential game-changer. If the Ravens don't connect there, maybe they still score, but there likely would have been precious little time afterward to do anything else, which would have been exactly what the Chargers wanted.

I think that was his best throw of the year.  It was similar to the Mahomes play that beat the Ravens.  It was basically a play ground play and I think Lamar is comfortable in that style.  

There is plenty to evaluate LJ on.  

IMO,   clearly a plus, plus runner, below average passer, and maybe the worst I have ever seen at ball security.

I think the passing can get better, with better mechanics, and with a better understanding of defense.  The ball security must get better, and get better by a lot,  or the Ravens will be in the QB market next year.  


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:44 PM

Thing is, it took those "play ground" plays and a gadget offense for Marty to "establish a running game".  Collins did a lot of his damage last year when the initial read / gap was taken away and he improvised.  Take away the 4 DEF/ST scores that resulted in 28 points over the last 8 games (of which they had ZERO in the first 9 games) and their actual paid offense scored about 3 points less per game than they did the first 9 games.  And their YPG average was about half a yard less.  ;)

 

Marty being gone is the best thing that could have happened for the Ravens to scheme and install a legitimate, dynamic, balanced NFL offense.  Only because HE was NEVER going to do that himself.  No guarantee Roman will succeed there either, but I'll take my chances with his "run first" mindset, or whatever you want to call it, eventually morphing in to something that can consistently succeed at this level.  It was never, ever happening with M.M.



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:49 PM

Yea Marty needed to be gone much sooner.

It doesn’t mean Roman is the answer either. Just that we know Marty isn’t.

Martindale isn’t necessarily better than Pees because his defense is more aggressive. He’s better because he made the proper adjustments, especially at halftime. A lot of the raw numbers aren’t that much difference but Martindale’s defense was better.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 05:37 PM

I think that was his best throw of the year. It was similar to the Mahomes play that beat the Ravens. It was basically a play ground play and I think Lamar is comfortable in that style.
There is plenty to evaluate LJ on.
IMO, clearly a plus, plus runner, below average passer, and maybe the worst I have ever seen at ball security.
I think the passing can get better, with better mechanics, and with a better understanding of defense. The ball security must get better, and get better by a lot, or the Ravens will be in the QB market next year.


The concern that I can't get out of my head is this... Don't we think his entire life that coaches along the way have TRIED to improve his throwing mechanics? I don't buy the idea that his high school coaches didn't care and never tried, or that his college coaches didn't care and never spent any time on it (theoretically because they just wanted to win games and they did enough winning with him as is). He put it on the ground a good amount in college too. I'd bet every dollar I have that numerous coaches over the last 9 years of his life have tried to fix his throwing motion.

Go back to last summer, we heard how the Ravens were working hard, and Lamar was working hard, to improve his pocket mechanics. And it still hasn't happened. With current CBA rules, it's not like they're even allowed to "sequester" him at The Castle for the next 7 months. They get him in small doses between now and training camp, and then there are rules about how much they can do with him DURING camp.

It's going to have to be a lot of self-motivated work over the next 7 months to really make a difference. We'll see.




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