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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 04:22 PM

Build a 12 man staff out of these existing options:

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Givens, Scott, Y. Ramirez, Hess, Carroll, Castro, Wright, Fry, Rogers, Phillips, Yacabonis, Meisinger, Bleier, Luis Gonzalez, Kline, Means, Araujo, Hart, Ortiz

Not on the 40: Akin, Tate, Kremer, Pop


I figure a traditional staff looks something like:

Traditional:

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Ortiz, Castro
Givens, Scott, Bleier, Kline, Carroll, Wright, Y. Ramirez


I think a non-traditional staff (especially with the 4 not on the current 40) could be interesting at some point in '19.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 04:26 PM

None of the young players of any long term importance should be on the team for a while, with the exception of Ortiz. He should be up imo.

Kline and Carroll can be on the team...see if they can be good.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 04:59 PM

Build a 12 man staff out of these existing options:

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Givens, Scott, Y. Ramirez, Hess, Carroll, Castro, Wright, Fry, Rogers, Phillips, Yacabonis, Meisinger, Bleier, Luis Gonzalez, Kline, Means, Araujo, Hart, Ortiz

Not on the 40: Akin, Tate, Kremer, Pop


I figure a traditional staff looks something like:

Traditional:

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Ortiz, Castro
Givens, Scott, Bleier, Kline, Carroll, Wright, Y. Ramirez


I think a non-traditional staff (especially with the 4 not on the current 40) could be interesting at some point in '19.

I think we go more toward a non traditional look, and I wish baseball would realize where the game is going and move toward a 26 or 27 man roster. IMO, it makes sense.

My traditional look.....
Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Hess and Tate (Ugh)

Pen: Givens, Bleier, Castro, Yacabonis, Scott. Carroll and Ramirez

A 100 loss group if everything goes okay.

Non traditional

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Castro


Pen
Middle guys (aimed at pitching innings 5-7).....Ramirez, Hess, Tate, Jimmy Yac.. Wright

Back end guys
Bleier, Scott, Carroll. Kline

13 man Staff. Starters go 4 or 5 and the middle 5 pick up where needed

The non traditional look is why I hate what baseball is becoming...JMO.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 05:00 PM

I think we go more toward a non traditional look, and I wish baseball would realize where the game is going and move toward a 26 or 27 man roster.  IMO, it makes sense.

 

My traditional look.....

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Hess and Tate (Ugh)

 

Pen:  Givens, Bleier, Castro, Yacabonis, Scott. Carroll and Ramirez

 

A 100 loss group if everything goes okay.

 

Non traditional

 

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner,  Castro

 

 

Pen

Middle guys (aimed at pitching innings 5-7).....Ramirez, Hess, Tate, Jimmy Yac.. Wright

 

Back end guys

Bleier, Scott, Carroll. Kline

 

13 man Staff.   Starters go 4 or 5 and the middle 5 pick up where needed

 

The non traditional look is why I hate what baseball is becoming...JMO.

By the way, the group above, is not good no matter how you set it up.  re-arrange the Deck chairs on the Titanic stuff.


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 05:05 PM

By the way, the group above, is not good no matter how you set it up.  re-arrange the Deck chairs on the Titanic stuff.


It's really not good in a traditional set-up.

What you suggested is close to what I'm picturing how they could be optimized... and in the sense, I see some promise.

Totally agree the rosters should be 26 or 27.
Totally agree with not particularly loving where the game is heading.... but do think the O's have a lot of guys who fit that.

Guys who could help 2-4 innings, maybe pitch more than traditional relievers, but you really wouldn't want them starting for you in a traditional sense.



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Posted 08 November 2018 - 05:17 PM

Build a 12 man staff out of these existing options:
Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Givens, Scott, Y. Ramirez, Hess, Carroll, Castro, Wright, Fry, Rogers, Phillips, Yacabonis, Meisinger, Bleier, Luis Gonzalez, Kline, Means, Araujo, Hart, Ortiz

Not on the 40: Akin, Tate, Kremer, Pop


I figure a traditional staff looks something like:

Traditional:
Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Ortiz, Castro
Givens, Scott, Bleier, Kline, Carroll, Wright, Y. Ramirez


I think a non-traditional staff (especially with the 4 not on the current 40) could be interesting at some point in '19.

My 12 would be: Cobb, Cashner, Hess, Bundy, Kline, Scott, Givens, Wright, Castro, Yacabonis, Fry and Rule 5 selection or Gilmartin.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 05:20 PM

I would not rule out a free agent signing either.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 05:21 PM

I'm mildly intrigued to see how Bundy, Cobb, and Cashner perform with a new coaching staff next season. Would have also been interesting to see how Gausman fared next year with a different staff and maybe different philosophies. Of course, they got that useful international signing bonus money for him, so...

That assumes that the Orioles even have a new coaching staff by next season.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:14 PM

SP Cobb

SP Bundy

SP Cashner

SP Castro

SP Rogers

 

LR Hess

MR Kline

MR Gilmartin

MR Fry

SU Bleier

SU Givens

CL Scott



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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:56 PM

I would not rule out a free agent signing either.

Yea, I think there will be a low level starter, maybe targeting some one coming off an injury.  


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:58 PM

I would not rule out a free agent signing either.


Yeah, I also expect that.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:59 PM

SP Cobb
SP Bundy
SP Cashner
SP Castro
SP Rogers

LR Hess
MR Kline
MR Gilmartin
MR Fry
SU Bleier
SU Givens
CL Scott


Ahh, forgot about Gilmartin.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:09 PM

Yea, I think there will be a low level starter, maybe targeting some one coming off an injury.


They should have traded for Smyly.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:12 PM


It's really not good in a traditional set-up.

What you suggested is close to what I'm picturing how they could be optimized... and in the sense, I see some promise.

Totally agree the rosters should be 26 or 27.
Totally agree with not particularly loving where the game is heading.... but do think the O's have a lot of guys who fit that.

Guys who could help 2-4 innings, maybe pitch more than traditional relievers, but you really wouldn't want them starting for you in a traditional sense.

I think we have some guys who may be able to handle the non traditional roles, but not sure we have enough, for it to be effective.

 

The other thing I worry about are our starters anywhere near good enough to not ruin some of the young arms who will be in that second group of relievers.

 

I am not sure any staff can get through a year with the starters going 3 or 4 innings constantly.

 

 

One other thing, I left Kline off the list, but I think he is going to be good.   I would like to see the organization goes easy  with him, in the short term.


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:15 PM

They should have traded for Smyly.

He is the type I was thinking about.


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 11:31 PM

SP Cobb

SP Bundy

SP Cashner

SP Castro

SP Rogers

 

LR Hess

MR Kline

MR Gilmartin

MR Fry

SU Bleier

SU Givens

CL Scott

 

This is more or less where I'd be.  Probably flip Hess and Castro.

 

It's not specifically a terrible staff.  It's not good by any stretch, but if you had better projection out of the bottom of the rotation (ie, add a guy towards the top) and a real closer that pushes others a man deeper, then you can have a reasonable group.

 

...but unless you create some opportunity with the offense, they will always be looking to be perfect (because this team will struggle to score consistently) which likely makes incremental success as a group increasingly difficult.

 

The only thing interesting is seeing if you can create enough value in someone to flip them.

 

Everyone is excited about a 4 year rebuild (I'm not) and there are zero guys in this group that are part of whatever the next team is.



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Posted 09 November 2018 - 08:40 AM



Everyone is excited about a 4 year rebuild (I'm not) and there are zero guys in this group that are part of whatever the next team is.


That’s not necessarily true. A few of them could be.

Even more than that, some of these guys could bring back players in a trade that are part of the next winning team.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 10:44 AM

Build a 12 man staff out of these existing options:

Bundy, Cobb, Cashner, Givens, Scott, Y. Ramirez, Hess, Carroll, Castro, Wright, Fry, Rogers, Phillips, Yacabonis, Meisinger, Bleier, Luis Gonzalez, Kline, Means, Araujo, Hart, Ortiz


I’d rather not.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:54 PM

I’d rather not.

Based on the talent we have available, yours is probably the perfect answer.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 03:13 PM

I’d rather not.

You might want to give it a shot since we have no GM, no manager or no pitching coach to do it.   :lol:   But really, who cares anyway what rag tag staff we throw together for 2019.  Let Brady use a dart board.


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