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Now or Never For Ripken?


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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:07 PM

I've never been a proponent of hiring Ripken.... not a doubt of his acumen, but thought if you hired him.... you'd probably eventually be in position of having to fire him, and that could be ugly.

When he was linked to the Nationals a couple of years ago, I thought that made sense. But he was apparently not interested, or not ready.

 

 

His kids are older. He's living in Annapolis. The old house is for sale / auction. He's doing commercials again.
Sold (or selling) his stake in the Ironbirds.

 

I'd think if he wants to be working for the Orioles, it's now or never.

 

I've never been clear if Ripken would prefer being onfield in uniform as a potential Mgr.... or in the Front Office.

Brady is his boy, so I doubt we'd see Ripken step over him for the EVP of Baseball Ops job.... but a Team President position?  (Yes, Brady would be his employee in that capacity, but Brady would be running day-to-day.)

Or Showalter moves into the FO with Brady, and Ripken becomes the Mgr?

 

 

Not advocating for either.... just throwing it out there.... chances you think we see this?



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:12 PM

It’s possible. Probably a move that if it would happen, fans would think we are going to the WS in a few years.

No idea if it would work or not...feel pretty good that he could do what he wants though.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:17 PM

Other than a limited position as an IF/defensive coach/advisor and PR, don't want any part of him. 

 

It's pretty obvious what types of FO personnel are showing themselves to be effective these days and they aren't  Ripen/Brady/Showalter types. 



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:34 PM

I've long been a proponent that your team's legends, GOATs, etc. should never have a place in a managerial/coaching/executive role. It almost always ends up in a scenario where the team will have to mutually part ways or fire them later down the road. That's just the nature of sports.


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:35 PM

My question is less 'should he, should the O's,' and more.... do you think it happens?



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:35 PM

I'd be fine with a special consultant role. I doubt he wants to get involved with the full-time, daily operation type of position.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:41 PM

My question is less 'should he, should the O's,' and more.... do you think it happens?

Hopefully not. Unfortunately I think it very well could happen. 



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:46 PM

If it was going to happen I think we would've heard some rumors of it before now.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:53 PM

Buck and Cal arent working together. Too much ego. If Buck dicides to walk away then there is some chance

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 03:17 PM

No, it isn't going to happen.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 03:33 PM

I would hire Ripken in a heartbeat to whatever position he would like.

 

As a manager - Knows the game. Fully understands the metrics of the game today (if you disagree with that read his book The Only Way I know). Well respected. Loves the O's. 

 

Front Office - See above. Well respected across all the game. Would likely have a strong ability to influence ownership and get things done. Loves the O's.

 

Here's the bottom line - A different direction for sure and at this point a change the fans and town could embrace and see what happens. Staying the course won't work.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 03:37 PM

We really have no idea if Cal would be a disaster or Jerry West.

I tend to agree that you stay away from it though.

Wouldn’t doubt it happening though.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 03:51 PM

Why the reluctance toward Rip?

 

If there are technical concerns, then I understand that. What are they?

 

But I fail to get at all the don't hire him because you might have to fire him. Maybe he wouldn't work out in a manager/front office capacity and he'd have to go. Don't see that tarnishing his legacy or love in Baltimore hardly at all. Nothing wrong with having a legacy as a great player that just didn't translate to other aspects of the game. Its kind of like don't open yourself up to a person because you are afraid you might get close then get your heart broke. Might happen. BUT you might find something very very special. You never know if you don't try.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:05 PM

Why the reluctance toward Rip?

 

If there are technical concerns, then I understand that. What are they?

 

But I fail to get at all the don't hire him because you might have to fire him. Maybe he wouldn't work out in a manager/front office capacity and he'd have to go. Don't see that tarnishing his legacy or love in Baltimore hardly at all. Nothing wrong with having a legacy as a great player that just didn't translate to other aspects of the game. Its kind of like don't open yourself up to a person because you are afraid you might get close then get your heart broke. Might happen. BUT you might find something very very special. You never know if you don't try.

He doesn't fit the profile of a contemporary successful FO executive and I don't view field managers all that relevant, basically an extension of the FO imo. As an executive he doesn't fit and as a field manger you're just replacing one strong willed personality for another where that trait really isn't desirable. 



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:07 PM

What are his thoughts on TTTP?

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:08 PM

He doesn't fit the profile of a contemporary successful FO executive and I don't view field managers all that relevant, basically an extension of the FO imo. As an executive he doesn't fit and as a field manger you're just replacing one strong willed personality for another where that trait really isn't desirable.


How do you know he’s not a contemporary exec?
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:17 PM

Be wonderful if he would replace Bordick in the booth.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:20 PM

How do you know he’s not a contemporary exec?

I highly doubt he's versed enough in analytics in either role. What's his education and what has he written or espoused to make you think he's smart enough, progressive enough, capable or even willing enough to drive an organization in that area much less mange a team under that as a core philosophy? We're not talking Gabe Kapler here. 

 

Theoretically he's a qualified manager (I think you're getting more of the same problems with Buck). There are far better FO choices. 



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:27 PM

I think as manager, he would bring a wealth of knowledge to the team. He also fits the bill as a player who was never the fastest, strongest, best eye, just did it the right way with fundamentals and those guys make the best managers.

As an exec though, I feel like I want some youth. Even Brady is too old. Baseball is changing and I don't want someone behind the curve. I want the next Theo Epstien. Whomever that is.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:30 PM


How do you know he’s not a contemporary exec?

He doesnt. Ca has a bias against anyone over a certain age. Moreover, every manager and exec is using advanced analytics. Im not even sure how hes labling certain guys. What exactly does Buck do or not do that makes him "old school". Just as an example the Os under Buck were one of the first teams to start shifting heavily. The Os were at the forefront of that. Then you just have the fact that the Os under this ownership havent been and wont be at the forefront of any technology. Just because you hire some nerd wiz kid who is all in on new school baseball doesnt mean he'll get the tools, money, and support he needs to do what he wants




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