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#121 DJ MC

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Posted 24 October 2014 - 01:42 PM

If they want to, yes. If they want to be truly educated, they can do that, too.

 

I don't see why this isn't a solution. What's with the facade at this point?

 

Because the NCAA IS a facade. If that gets torn down, so will the entire organization.


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Posted 24 October 2014 - 02:43 PM

Because the NCAA IS a facade. If that gets torn down, so will the entire organization.


I just don't have faith that the NCAA would be replaced by something significantly better. Any new organization would have the same mission as the old....maximize and safeguard the revenues of the member institutions. The only difference would be that the new group would consist of the smaller percentage of schools from the conferences making the big money, as their self-interests are increasingly running counter to that of other NCAA institutions.

And in reply to an earlier comment, athletes should absolutely have the opportunity to earn a "regular" degree if they so choose and are willing to make that commitment, so long as they meet all of the same qualifications and standards as every other student is expected to. I definitely wouldn't force them into any one program. Playing college sports should still afford them the same opportunity to get an education that it does now....I'm just saying don't force the kids who don't want it and aren't cut out for it to go through the motions, because not only is it a waste of time and money, but they probably won't retain much of anything they "learned" anyway.

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 12:13 AM

Former UNC Player Details Academic Fraud, Says "Everybody Knew"

 

Powell quoted former football coach Butch Davis as telling players, "If you all came here for an education, you should have gone to Harvard," while explaining that players were directed to take classes in the now-notorious AFAM department.

 

It gets better.


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Posted 12 November 2014 - 09:00 AM

CBS Sports: Report: '04-'05 Title team had multiple players taking phony classes

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:24 PM

UNC Athletes Were Steered To School's Sports Ethics Professor

 

All I can think of is this:

 

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:26 PM

This happens pretty much everywhere. The NCAA sucks. We all agree.

Let's not use that to excuse this university or lessen what should be a severe punishment. Disgusting by a University that likes to thumb their noses up at a lot of others.

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 11:17 PM

Two former North Carolina athletes sue school, NCAA over academic scandal

 

 Among the allegations made in the lawsuit are that North Carolina failed to provide “academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction,” and that the NCAA was negligent in its work to prohibit academic fraud from occurring.


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Posted 22 January 2015 - 11:20 PM

Wow. That's an opportunistic lawsuit if I've ever seen one. That's ridiculous.
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Posted 22 January 2015 - 11:23 PM

Wow. That's an opportunistic lawsuit if I've ever seen one. That's ridiculous.

 

Maybe. But if they can show that they were directed toward these particular classes by the university, and especially if it can be shown as endemic within the sport as a class-action, that would be very dangerous for the NCAA, let alone UNC.


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Posted 22 January 2015 - 11:24 PM

Wow. That's an opportunistic lawsuit if I've ever seen one. That's ridiculous.

 
Maybe. But if they can show that they were directed toward these particular classes by the university, and especially if it can be shown as endemic within the sport as a class-action, that would be very dangerous for the NCAA, let alone UNC.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 11:25 PM

Deadspin: NCAA Alleges Lack Of Institutional Control At UNC


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 12:56 AM

Deadspin: NCAA Alleges Lack Of Institutional Control At UNC

 

They're just now getting around to it?   


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:42 AM

Sports on Earth: UNC reveals NCAA allegations

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Posted 13 June 2015 - 11:41 PM

http://collegefootba...ation-not-ncaa/

 

They've had their status as an accredited university placed on probation for a year, with the possibility of having it revoked. That's for the whole school.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 08:08 AM

Wait...so you mean to tell me that highly-recruited athletes pick their schools based off of athletics...and then the people who run said athletics expect them to be more committed to athletics than academics!  And then...when said kid who did not care about academics doesn't make it in athletics as he expected, he blames his former athletic department for not forcing him into taking hard classes knowing full well that, if they had, he would have just gone to another school that let him focus on sports?  Nothing like some good, ole' fashioned personal responsibility.



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 09:31 AM

Wait...so you mean to tell me that highly-recruited athletes pick their schools based off of athletics...and then the people who run said athletics expect them to be more committed to athletics than academics!  And then...when said kid who did not care about academics doesn't make it in athletics as he expected, he blames his former athletic department for not forcing him into taking hard classes knowing full well that, if they had, he would have just gone to another school that let him focus on sports?  Nothing like some good, ole' fashioned personal responsibility.

 

The grown-ups are s'posed to be modeling responsible behavior for the kids... set a good example, etc.  

 

In this scenario, the university has the responsibility to be grown-ups. They're s'posed to set high standards and challenge the kids to rise to those standards. They're not s'posed to sink down to whatever half-assed standards the immature jock kids want to slide by on.  Blaming the kids for this is ridiculous. The university did it.  For decades.

 

What "responsibility" means starts at the top and filters down. Thats true whether it's a good example or a bad example.  It's absurd to expect the kids to show personal responsibility when their superiors who run the joint don't.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 12:27 PM

The grown-ups are s'posed to be modeling responsible behavior for the kids... set a good example, etc.  

 

In this scenario, the university has the responsibility to be grown-ups. They're s'posed to set high standards and challenge the kids to rise to those standards. They're not s'posed to sink down to whatever half-assed standards the immature jock kids want to slide by on.  Blaming the kids for this is ridiculous. The university did it.  For decades.

 

What "responsibility" means starts at the top and filters down. Thats true whether it's a good example or a bad example.  It's absurd to expect the kids to show personal responsibility when their superiors who run the joint don't.

 

I don't disagree at all.  But, the NCAA is blaming the universities for participating in problems that the NCAA created.  If all of a sudden schools start acting like 'academic institutions', then players will just go to the schools that don't.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 12:36 PM

If all of a sudden schools start acting like 'academic institutions', then players will just go to the schools that don't.

 

'Just another reason to root for Georgia Tech  ;-)


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 01:09 PM

'Just another reason to root for Georgia Tech   :wink:

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 01:24 PM

'Just another reason to root for Georgia Tech   :wink:

HA!!! 

 

Cremins would NEVER do anything shady..

 

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