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#1 Chris B

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 06:29 PM

@SIPeteThamel: SOURCES: Big Ten to host basketball tournament at Madison Square Garden in 2018. http://t.co/UAiRRw7Fvy

To be played a week before the Big East.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 06:39 PM

@SIPeteThamel: SOURCES: Big Ten to host basketball tournament at Madison Square Garden in 2018. http://t.co/UAiRRw7Fvy

To be played a week before the Big East.

 

Someday they'll realize that NY'ers just don't give a damn about college sports. 

 

It's amazing that there's not a big sports school there...  (the only school NYC ever cared about is in South Bend, of all places...)

 

What's the next most famous big city that's a total wasteland for college sports?


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:18 PM

Someday they'll realize that NY'ers just don't give a damn about college sports. 

 

It's amazing that there's not a big sports school there...  (the only school NYC ever cared about is in South Bend, of all places...)

 

What's the next most famous big city that's a total wasteland for college sports?

 

I think it's because there isn't a real major school or couple of schools in the area. 450k of the nearly 600k college students in the city go to any of 22 CUNY schools, and there are 110 total colleges in the city. There isn't a single major school to build a football program, and the two that have one (Columbia and Fordham) play in non-scholarship leagues (Ivy and Patriot).

 

Of course, NY has a major basketball tradition with local schools, including St. John's.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:30 PM

What's the next most famous big city that's a total wasteland for college sports?


Boston. Except for college hockey.

And I hate this. Ending your season a week early like one of the low-level conferences just to play in MSG is not worth it.
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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:31 PM

I think it's because there isn't a real major school or couple of schools in the area. 450k of the nearly 600k college students in the city go to any of 22 CUNY schools, and there are 110 total colleges in the city. There isn't a single major school to build a football program, and the two that have one (Columbia and Fordham) play in non-scholarship leagues (Ivy and Patriot).

 

But that's a very chicken-or-the-egg thing...

 

A zillion people live there... it's time for NYU to get off their butt and make a splash  ;-)


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:33 PM

Boston. Except for college hockey.

 

At least they've got BC, which is a lot more than NYC's got...  I know BC's not actually *in* Boston, but still...


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:36 PM

At least they've got BC, which is a lot more than NYC's got...  I know BC's not actually *in* Boston, but still...


And even when BC has decent teams, which isn't often, they barely register in the area.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:38 PM

And even when BC has decent teams, which isn't often, they barely register in the area.

 

But... but... but... Artie Donovan went there... they deserve big crowds just for that...


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:49 PM

But... but... but... Artie Donovan went there... they deserve big crowds just for that...


That'll happen as soon as MD gets bigger crowds because they were the first school Bear Bryant ever coached.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:02 PM

There's a large portion of people in NYC that do not care about sports at all.  Your arty types, theatre goofballs, hipster morons, and also the large immigrant population.  

 

Really the only people who care are the fratty douches, or Jersey/Long Island trash.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:07 PM

But that's a very chicken-or-the-egg thing...

 

A zillion people live there... it's time for NYU to get off their butt and make a splash   :wink:

 

If you're waiting on NYU you're going to be waiting a while :D

 

Really, it comes down to logistics. I don't know anyone who went to a CUNY school, but at least from the outside it seems like a far more united institution than most others, be they SUNY or Cal State/UC or USM or any others. So it's not like they would be able to let, say, Queens College or City College build a separate football program, despite those being relatively large in numbers of undergrads.

 

Then you have the problem of where to play. There isn't any place on Manhattan to build a mid-level facility necessary to support a fledgling football program; hell, Columbia's stadium is miles away from the campus at the absolute north end of the island. So they are building a stadium out at the edge of one of the boroughs, or they are playing at Yankee Stadium or Citi Field (not built for football), or they are playing in the Meadowlands where it will look like ten people are watching all of their games.

 

It would have to be a Division I-A program pretty quickly to get anyone's attention, and those are hard to build from the ground up. UTSA is about the only program that went from zero to FBS in such a short time, and they hired a big-name coach (Larry Coker) to run things. They also went 4-8 this year in C-USA.

 

It's just such a difficult thing to do. I don't think you'll ever see that happen in NY.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:09 PM

There's a large portion of people in NYC that do not care about sports at all.  Your arty types, theatre goofballs, hipster morons, and also the large immigrant population.  
 
Really the only people who care are the fratty douches, or Jersey/Long Island trash.


New Yawkahs made quite an impression on you, I see.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:10 PM

There's a large portion of people in NYC that do not care about sports at all.  Your arty types, theatre goofballs, hipster morons, and also the large immigrant population.  

 

Really the only people who care are the fratty douches, or Jersey/Long Island trash.

 

Well, I guess that covers everybody who lives in NYC...


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:12 PM

There's a large portion of people in NYC that do not care about sports at all.  Your arty types, theatre goofballs, hipster morons, and also the large immigrant population.  

 

Really the only people who care are the fratty douches, or Jersey/Long Island trash.

 

But you could say that about most major cities, like LA, or Seattle, or San Francisco (which, by the way, is probably the answer to the question of major cities without a significant college sports presence, unless you count Stanford and Berkeley).


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:12 PM

Well, I guess that covers everybody who lives in NYC...


Don't forget the snooty Wall Street narcissists.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:16 PM

But you could say that about most major cities, like LA, or Seattle, or San Francisco (which, by the way, is probably the answer to the question of major cities without a significant college sports presence, unless you count Stanford and Berkeley).

 

Huh?  Of course you count Stanford and Berkeley... why wouldn't you?


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:24 PM

Huh?  Of course you count Stanford and Berkeley... why wouldn't you?


They aren't in SF. If you count them for SF, why not count Rutgers for NYC?

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:28 PM

Haha I figured that would generate some good responses.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:30 PM

They aren't in SF. If you count them for SF, why not count Rutgers for NYC?

 

The Bay Area is much more of an amorphous blur... whereas NYC is much more insular... for example, in the Bay Area rush hour traffic goes both ways... or, really, all 4 ways... whereas in NY, it's mainly into the city in the morning and leaving the city after work...


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:31 PM

Don't forget the snooty Wall Street narcissists.

 

They don't live *in* the city... they live *above* the city...


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