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#1 BSLRobShields

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:52 PM

Wow! Talk about out of LF. Great hire.

@celtics: The @Celtics have hired Brad Stevens as their next head coach.

Press Release: http://t.co/Psidetrtwo
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:51 PM

WOW

 

166-49 in 6 years at Butler. He'll lose more than 49 games next season, that's for sure.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:27 AM

WOW

 

166-49 in 6 years at Butler. He'll lose more than 49 games next season, that's for sure.

I think that's what is so difficult for these college coaches making the transition to the pros, things are a lot more balanced and there's more of a leveled playing field in the pros.(not close to perfect but much more of one). There's no cupcake games and it's a grind.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 05:37 AM

In a few months, Butler will probably be cited for recruting violations.
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 06:40 AM

http://m.espn.go.com...storyId=9449176

I will be shocked if he fails.
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 08:19 AM

Rick Pitino Part 2.



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:23 AM

I'm not sure if Stevens will be a success or not. I think it was a bold move by both parties to agree to the deal. Probably moreso for the Celtics, since I believe Stevens will still be a commodity in the college game even if he fails.

 

I really wouldn't be surprised either way if he's a success or failure. He's obviously a great coach. He's done the vast majority of it in the Horizon League. That's why I don't like the Pitino comparisons. He left the holy grail of college coaching for the equivalent in the NBA. They're obviously going to give him rope of 3-4 years that they wouldn't for a rising assistant.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:25 AM

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I will be shocked if he fails.

 

I won't, due to the circumstances around it. But I won't think he's a bad coach when it doesn't go well. I don't think it'll be him failing. He is an amazing coach. I admire him quite a bit.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:37 AM

Rick Pitino Part 2.


Honestly, this was my first thought as well. Good luck to him though.

Lemme get two claps and a Ric Flair


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:41 AM

I won't, due to the circumstances around it. But I won't think he's a bad coach when it doesn't go well. I don't think it'll be him failing. He is an amazing coach. I admire him quite a bit.

Nick Saban didn't seem to lose much from the Miami Dolphins experience. I could see that all over again here.

 

What Saban said was difficult about the pros is that the structure didn't allow him to "outwork" his competition like he could in college.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

Nick Saban didn't seem to lose much from the Miami Dolphins experience. I could see that all over again here.

 

What Saban said was difficult about the pros is that the structure didn't allow him to "outwork" his competition like he could in college.

 

Exactly, it's the pro's... top level. Nothing higher, no one better... you HAVE to have the talent. Talent is everything. Well, not everything, but it's an absolute pre-requisite at that level and Boston just isn't set up to succeed over the next few years. This should be a 5-year plan for Stevens with an absolute allowance to win at a .250 clip until they get their pieces.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:57 AM

Exactly, it's the pro's... top level. Nothing higher, no one better... you HAVE to have the talent. Talent is everything. Well, not everything, but it's an absolute pre-requisite at that level and Boston just isn't set up to succeed over the next few years. This should be a 5-year plan for Stevens with an absolute allowance to win at a .250 clip until they get their pieces.

I'm pretty sure the Celtics are doing that. They gave him a six year, $22 million contract. It was pointed out though Doc got double that when hired. He would not have left Butler if he felt he was only going to get a few years or bust.

 

This isn't a Walt Weiss, one-year deal where it's easy to cut bait if things don't look good.

 

A bit unrelated -- Jimmy Johnson one of the rare coaches successful at both the pro/college levels when asked which he liked better between winning at the pro or college level, responds with the college is more fun but the pros are more rewarding. I think it's a bit of a PC answer, but I think there's definitely some truth to it.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 11:03 AM

I'm pretty sure the Celtics are doing that. They gave him a six year, $22 million contract. It was pointed out though Doc got double that when hired. He would not have left Butler if he felt he was only going to get a few years or bust.

 

This isn't a Walt Weiss, one-year deal where it's easy to cut bait if things don't look good.

 

A bit unrelated -- Jimmy Johnson one of the rare coaches successful at both the pro/college levels when asked which he liked better between winning at the pro or college level, responds with the college is more fun but the pros are more rewarding. I think it's a bit of a PC answer, but I think there's definitely some truth to it.

 

I hear ya, and the Celts are thinking with a level head now... but 3 years from now, when their fans have their panties in a bunch (and being it's Boston, they probably already do), the narrative will change and there will be pressure. We've seen this time and time again.

 

But on paper, with a level head, the Celtics have done EVERYTHING right so far this off-season, IMO. They need to stick to this plan for the long haul and I think they'll be in good shape.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 11:17 AM

He's a better coach and smarter than Pitino. He may be the best coach ever under the age of 40.
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 11:31 AM

I hear ya, and the Celts are thinking with a level head now... but 3 years from now, when their fans have their panties in a bunch (and being it's Boston, they probably already do), the narrative will change and there will be pressure. We've seen this time and time again.

 

But on paper, with a level head, the Celtics have done EVERYTHING right so far this off-season, IMO. They need to stick to this plan for the long haul and I think they'll be in good shape.

The fans probably will. Entitled fans can't stand the thought of "rebuilding," it's not a sexy or glamorous process of watching professionals struggles.

 

I wholeheartedly agree and they probably will. I doubt they'll be paying attention to the message boards, sports talk radio, etc.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 11:42 AM

@franfraschilla  Don't overthink Brad Stevens hire. There's no secret formula to hiring coaches at any level but only educated guesses. Luck plays part, too!

 

We can talk about "luck" some more now...


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 03:40 PM

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I will be shocked if he fails.

 

Nobody should ever be shocked if a coach fails at any level of pro or major-college sports.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:09 PM

Nobody should ever be shocked if a coach fails at any level of pro or major-college sports.

I tend to agree with this, especially a coach going from a mid-major program to an elite NBA franchise. I think even Stevens realizes from a non-monetary perspective he's taking a leap of faith.The easy road would've been staying put and eventually having a monument in his honor on the Butler campus.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 06:04 PM

I won't, due to the circumstances around it. But I won't think he's a bad coach when it doesn't go well. I don't think it'll be him failing. He is an amazing coach. I admire him quite a bit.

 

Right, this is my general take.  I think he is a quality coach. I think he will still be a quality coach if he is fired a few years from now in Boston. The reason I call it RP Part 2, is not because it is a college coach ascending to the Celtics; but because it is a quality coach taking over a poor team.

 

The first year will be a bit of a honeymoon regardless of results.. by the 2nd year though, if they are still losing 50 games, many people will begin to turn.  Pro fans aren't the most patient. They will need to be a playoff team by Year 3, or him and Ainge will be looking for jobs.

 

If things break right, and he likes being a pro coach... he'll have a long run. If things break bad, he will be fired.... and have his pick of jobs to consider in College. Either way, a bright future awaits. 


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:10 PM

Right, this is my general take.  I think he is a quality coach. I think he will still be a quality coach if he is fired a few years from now in Boston. The reason I call it RP Part 2, is not because it is a college coach ascending to the Celtics; but because it is a quality coach taking over a poor team.

 

The first year will be a bit of a honeymoon regardless of results.. by the 2nd year though, if they are still losing 50 games, many people will begin to turn.  Pro fans aren't the most patient. They will need to be a playoff team by Year 3, or him and Ainge will be looking for jobs.

 

If things break right, and he likes being a pro coach... he'll have a long run. If things break bad, he will be fired.... and have his pick of jobs to consider in College. Either way, a bright future awaits. 

I'm not too sure about your timeline, if it was your typical coach sure. But I think they'll give both Stevens and Ainge plenty of rope. I realize the pressure for Boston, but I don't think they go out and hire him with such a short time table or bust.


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